tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8387588.post112230282558340578..comments2023-10-18T03:53:59.377-04:00Comments on The Last Debate: Careful, LiberalsAndyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13524483460829802534noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8387588.post-1122930957695492372005-08-01T17:15:00.000-04:002005-08-01T17:15:00.000-04:00Hi Andy,I'm a member of Feminists for Life. You k...Hi Andy,<BR/><BR/>I'm a member of Feminists for Life. You know how I feel about this issue. I am a life-long Democrat who believes the Democrats made a very wrong turn in the 1970s by championing abortion rights under the euphemism of "choice." Traditionally, we were the party that defended the rights of the most despised and marginalized elements of society. Now, we have let the rights of the most marginalized and the least enfranchised -- the unborn -- fall right into the laps of the Republican Party, and, as the Democratic Party is now coming to see as social opinion turns away from abortion rights, that was a big mistake. We have lost many, many voters on this issue; in the last election, Catholic voters went for Bush in the majority, which is a first. Do I believe the REAL Republican Party gives a damn about life? No. I believe they exploit the convictions of their socially conservative base, but that the real power-brokers certainly don't want their Mexican maids or -- gasp! -- poor black women to have more children. Look who they picked for their keynote speakers at their convention last year: Schwarzenegger, Giuliani, Pataki -- all of them pro-choice.<BR/><BR/>Feminists for Life is a truly radical group. When FFL says "Women Deserve Better" (correction: their slogan is not "women deserve better choices"), what they mean is that women should be able to carry pregnancies to term and keep their babies, even under emotional and financial duress. That means they work for a society with a strong social safety net, one that truly supports women and children, especially those who are poor. The Republican pro-lifers pretty much ignore the baby (and its mother -- well, to be honest, they like to continue to condemn her) after its birth. I really believe that the right of children to be born is a feminist issue, as did Susan B. Anthony, Elizabeth Cady Stanton, and many other first-wave feminists. <BR/><BR/>By the way, as you know, I also am a woman who has had an abortion, which I will always regret, so I feel that gives me a "been-there" perspective. By the grace of God I'm now expecting my second child (my first to be born).<BR/><BR/>I'm writing my dissertation now, and I've done a lot of research into what was known as "The Great Social Evil" in 19th-century Britain, i.e. prostitution. I honestly believe that abortion, in our own time, has taken up that dubious mantle.<BR/><BR/>By the way, there's an interesting article in Glamour this month, "The Mysterious Disappearance of Pro-Choice Young Women," which details the shift in attitudes toward abortion rights among young, college-educated women. Women truly do deserve better than to make such a heartbreaking decision, which, as anyone who's every seen an ultrasound picture knows, costs a human life. <BR/><BR/>Julia (your old neighbor!)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8387588.post-1122551734947164292005-07-28T07:55:00.000-04:002005-07-28T07:55:00.000-04:00Andy,I do agree that people do make mistakes. I a...Andy,<BR/><BR/>I do agree that people do make mistakes. I also agree that carrying a child to term is a huge physical and psychological burden. But adoption is a much better option, and I submit the emotional scars you recieve from terminating a pregnancy far outweigh the burden of having the child and giving it up for adoption.bohicahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10110016798798784735noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8387588.post-1122465488105383852005-07-27T07:58:00.000-04:002005-07-27T07:58:00.000-04:00Courtney: to be honest, I'm not intimately familia...Courtney: to be honest, I'm not intimately familiar with all of Feminists for Life's policies. I mean, I'm a gay guy...they're kind of off my radar, LOL.<BR/><BR/>Bohica: thank you so much for your compliments! I always welcome intelligent dissent or other POV's.<BR/><BR/>I definitely agree with you, but I'll make two points briefly in reponse: one, the conservative trend in sexual education these days is promotion of ignorance, not abstinence. As Rep. Waxman's investigation revealed, not only are kids in conservative-promoted sex-ed classes not getting the full range of information necessary to make intelligent choices, they're getting false information. Parents have the right to help their kids navigate through the moral issues related to sexuality, but the motives of anyone who wants information kept from their children have to be seen as highly suspect. I think we'd see a decrease in unwanted pregnancies (and therefore in abortions) if everyone had full knowledge of the risks and resources out there.<BR/><BR/>Secondly, everyone makes mistakes. Some mistakes are bigger than others. When a mistake results in pregnancy, however, I believe the woman should have a choice about how to set that mistake aright. Sometimes it would also be a mistake to bring a child into a family that doesn't want it or can't afford it. Let's let that kind of awful, sensitive decision belong to the woman, her conscience and her God, not to the Government.Andyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13524483460829802534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8387588.post-1122438678225812042005-07-27T00:31:00.000-04:002005-07-27T00:31:00.000-04:00I am probably going to blog about this on my own b...I am probably going to blog about this on my own but there is something about the whole abortion thing that bothers me greatly. It is seen as the woman's choice, and it is. But her choice should be before she has sex with someone, not after. Actions have consequences, and having unprotected sex can cause you to get pregnant. Do some women get pregnant even when having protected sex? I am sure. But there are 14 different ways to protect yourself, if you use 2 or 3 there is a pretty dang good chance you are not going to become with child. Terminating a life because of poor decision making is not the best idea. <BR/><BR/>And before anyone jumps down my throat cases of rape and incest are an exception, and the woman's right to terminate should be honored. As far as the nomination to the Supreme Court, old Bush boy has his eye on the ball, he is not going to let the best reason conservative christians to keep Republicans in office get overturned. <BR/><BR/>BTW I really enjoy your blog Andy it is one I read almost daily.bohicahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10110016798798784735noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8387588.post-1122418484580759632005-07-26T18:54:00.000-04:002005-07-26T18:54:00.000-04:00I'm going to violate my own caveat and speculate.Y...I'm going to violate my own caveat and speculate.<BR/><BR/>Yes, it's troubling that Jane Roberts apparently, given her association with this particular organization, wants to see Roe abolished. But as Courtney pointed out, there is a great deal to be said for someone who accurately acknowledges issues facing women in modern society, rather than, for example, having a knee-jerk conservative reaction, which basically amounts to shouting "Abstinence!" while steadfastly refusing to educate people about sex and sexuality and creating tax breaks for billionaires that unfairly burden the most vulnerable in our society.<BR/><BR/>This kind of pragmatic underpinning is a conservatism I could respect, if not support.Andyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13524483460829802534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8387588.post-1122336173862140152005-07-25T20:02:00.000-04:002005-07-25T20:02:00.000-04:00You make some good points. I would like to say tha...You make some good points. I would like to say that married couples share alot of the same beliefs but not necesarily on everything. I don't agree with my wife on several political issues. So what is good for the goose isn't always good for the gander.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8387588.post-1122307337919511292005-07-25T12:02:00.000-04:002005-07-25T12:02:00.000-04:00I look forward most especially to your input!As fa...I look forward most especially to your input!<BR/><BR/>As far as the nomination goes, my advice to Democrats is vote your conscience. If you don't think he'd make a good judge, vote no. But I don't think we should attempt a filibuster.Andyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13524483460829802534noreply@blogger.com