tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8387588.post8944365549771002010..comments2023-10-18T03:53:59.377-04:00Comments on The Last Debate: Misunderestimating HuckabeeAndyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13524483460829802534noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8387588.post-2354880589918603222007-12-20T17:45:00.000-05:002007-12-20T17:45:00.000-05:00Huck is a old testament christian. If you think C...Huck is a old testament christian. If you think Christ is about Luke then Huckabee is not a Christian. If you think Christ is about leveticus then Huck is your man. Love vs hate. Huck is a hater, plain and simple.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8387588.post-66966347234671769812007-12-18T10:19:00.000-05:002007-12-18T10:19:00.000-05:00"y'got something bettah?"You mean, something bette...<I>"y'got something bettah?"</I><BR/><BR/>You mean, something better than a crazy man who thinks we should replace the NTSB with vigilantes?<BR/><BR/>I agree that government spending needs to be wildly reviewed. I agree that BOTH parties are complete disasters. Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi absolutely make me cringe, they are just so embarrassing. It's just constant grandstanding. This administration would be so easy to bring down if they would just speak unvarnished truth, but NOoooooo, they have to put partisan spin on EVERYTHING, which far from serving their cause undermines their credibility (and likeability). I'm still glad the Democrats are (nominally) in charge rather than the Republicans, but dissatisfaction with Congress is at such a high because they have not done what we elected them to do.<BR/><BR/>I am supporting Obama because I really, truly believe that he is the change that this country needs.Andyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13524483460829802534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8387588.post-1522267902188937722007-12-18T02:37:00.000-05:002007-12-18T02:37:00.000-05:00damn, I'm tired.typos: sorry.you know your lifesty...damn, I'm tired.<BR/><BR/>typos: sorry.<BR/><BR/>you know your lifestyle is untenable when:<BR/><BR/>... when you are driving back across downtown at 9:15 AM from dropping your two oldest kids at their two schools which are only 5 miles apart--across downtown--and you think, "why am I so tired? I didn't get up until ... until ... damn, it was only 3:40, I shouldn't be this tired! I slept most of the night before!"<BR/><BR/>Yep. Definitely sleep-deprived.<BR/><BR/>Yes, going to bed. Soon. Probably.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8387588.post-17703597358602848322007-12-18T02:29:00.000-05:002007-12-18T02:29:00.000-05:00:)I love you Andy ;)at this point, I think the fed...:)<BR/><BR/>I love you Andy ;)<BR/><BR/>at this point, I think the federal government needs a hefty dose of Libertarianism ... well, of the options available. Both parties live highon the hog right now, and forcing an issue-by-issue reexamination of governement spending seems like a necessary step (haven't both parties been promising it to voters for years, every time they are out of power?).<BR/><BR/>Besides, he'd only be the President, not the entire three-pronged government, and I CAN'T imagine he would be elected a second term. And it's not like he won't get shove-back from all Legislators from Everywhere (who are elected on promises to bring home federal cash).<BR/><BR/>I got three paragraphs further (Dept of Education and IRS should be dismantled; medicare, medicaid, kids' lunches can be caught by either NGOs or local govs with donations from our tax-savings) and decided I wasn't up for a full-out.<BR/><BR/>But, I am awfully tired of liars/deceitfulness. Lying is just not tenable any longer.<BR/><BR/>"I currently also stand for Ron Paul" includes this implication: "y'got something bettah?"<BR/>I think about two more election cycles and one of the parties will experience a major crash; there are too many people they've lost hold of ... presuming we don't all die of Global Warming by then ;).<BR/><BR/><BR/>DJR: I wondered if you sometimes lurked at Gino's. Heh. But, to agree in public ;)?? And of course I was teasing, all three of youse guys ;).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8387588.post-60234701540306028562007-12-16T12:26:00.000-05:002007-12-16T12:26:00.000-05:00RON PAUL?!?!?!?!?!?! Seriously, KR? The guy who ...<I>RON PAUL?!?!?!?!?!?!</I> Seriously, KR? The guy who said "Maybe if we allowed people to carry handguns on airplanes, 9/11 would never have happened?" The guy who would leave EVERYTHING up to "the free market"? No Department of Education, no IRS, no Social Security, no Medicaid/Medicare, no EPA... do you want to leave the environment up to "the free market"? Do you want students turned into commodities? Do you want schools turned into corporate run advertising opportunities? I mean, look at what the corporate world did to the MEDIA, you want them taking over education? You want private industry establishing the costs for a grade school education with profit as principal motive? You want profit motivating decisions in healthcare? RON PAUL??? I'm trying to restrain myself from saying (typing) something I'll regret here, but...sweet mother of mercy, I don't know why you think this country should be abandoned like that. Re-think this.Andyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13524483460829802534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8387588.post-65416061539968922492007-12-16T08:30:00.000-05:002007-12-16T08:30:00.000-05:00kr: Gino and I actually agree on an astonishing n...kr: Gino and I actually agree on an astonishing number of things. I read him pretty regularly, and he very often makes me smile. I suppose perhaps I'm not quite what I might seem. ;-)DJRainDoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12921792163789635507noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8387588.post-32573460860130336012007-12-16T04:51:00.000-05:002007-12-16T04:51:00.000-05:00late to the gameDJR + gino "agree" (about Ron Paul...late to the game<BR/><BR/>DJR + gino "agree" (about Ron Paul)<BR/>therefore<BR/>the EndTimers are right, Armageddon is upon us!!<BR/>so<BR/>Andy should be less demeaning of the EndTimers ;)<BR/><BR/>rb--<BR/>thank you for your contribution, which puts so coeherently my sensibility about the whole political situation :(<BR/>I have hopes that someone will figure out how to blow the system wide open<BR/>or maybe someday there will be a Pope John Paul II moment, where the cultural confluences will surprise everyone from within the system<BR/>(rb, the whole political science thing was highly suspect to me as a concept until I read "The Making of the Popes 1979" by Andrew Greeley ... I was astounded that the computer picked the Polish Archbishop ... and amused that the computer's human handlers discounted it as an impossibility, a fluke numbers mistake ;) ... )<BR/><BR/>DJR/rb--I think the argument can (fairly easily) be made that schooling in America (and all other Western-influenced, meaning Prussian-influenced, systems) is what is destroying us; the question should not be "are you educated (ie, schooled)?" but "can you think clearly and fully function as an adult?" Our problems are clearly systemic, and until we are willing to dump the system, we cannot expect a significant change in the results.<BR/><BR/>I currently also stand for Ron Paul.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8387588.post-75625078134630319252007-12-15T17:16:00.000-05:002007-12-15T17:16:00.000-05:00Okay, I'm back to defend my statement, which has b...Okay, I'm back to defend my statement, which has been taken to mean something it did not mean. I, too, have taught at an "elite" institution -- an Ivy League one, no less, though decidedly NOT in the area of political science, and certainly not for decades. I was also educated in elite institutions exclusively, so this is a perspective to which I can relate. And against which I must rail, even as I embody its stereotypes. What you overlook is that this country is filled with far more podunk community colleges (and thank heaven for them, or the populace would be even less well-educated than it is) than elite institutions. The students you see (and the students I saw) are the tip of the iceberg, the best and brightest; they are NOT the majority! Furthermore, they're generally the youth of the nation -- again, at least according to recent estimates, not the majority. At last count, there were somewhere aroune 300 million people in the U.S. of A. China has over a billion! Speaking strictly in terms of numbers and proportions (which IS what I was doing, for a change, rather than grinding my "Americans are Idiots" axe), there are likely to be more people OUTSIDE the borders of the U.S. whom I'd consider "intelligent" (and here I must confess that doesn't necessarily mean "well-educated" -- there were more than a few people in my graduating class at Yale whom I deemed complete idiots) than there are within. There are teeming masses of uneducated AND unintelligent folk in this country, and I dare say they are the majority, God help us all. My point was merely that Americans have a tendency to assume that "our way is the only right way", which is absolutely false. And I still want to see most of the current crop of candidates for President guillotined, along with the entirety of the current administration. Vive la Révolution! ;-)DJRainDoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12921792163789635507noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8387588.post-88299808194062675272007-12-14T22:41:00.000-05:002007-12-14T22:41:00.000-05:00Andy, in making the statement you quote, I was thi...Andy, in making the statement you quote, I was thinking, not of you, but of some of the comments you had provoked. I am sorry I did not make that clear.<BR/><BR/>Most especially, the comment I took most grievous objection to was the comment I particularly mentioned at the very beginning of my first comment: the comment that stated that Americans are somehow less intelligent than unidentified other nationalities.<BR/><BR/>That very notion is absurd on its face, and I could not let that remark pass unchallenged. Were it not for that remark, I would never have commented on your blog in the first place.Guntherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07238361122093719719noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8387588.post-17968512914502294762007-12-14T22:15:00.000-05:002007-12-14T22:15:00.000-05:00Dear Andy,I'm back... and you'll figure out who I ...Dear Andy,<BR/><BR/>I'm back... and you'll figure out who I am by my screen name.<BR/><BR/>There is only one candidate I can live with and that is Edwards. If the Democrats aren't savvy enough to take down the Republican nominee this time I am going to move to Italy.<BR/><BR/>rb: You are right. You CAN get the best education right here in the US if you're lucky enough to grow up in the right place and have the resources to go to a good college.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8387588.post-21994840625020489592007-12-14T21:08:00.000-05:002007-12-14T21:08:00.000-05:00I only commented upon your blog because I was dumb...<I>I only commented upon your blog because I was dumbfounded as I read one glaring misstatement of fact after another.</I><BR/><BR/>Well put. Well, I still stand by my assertion that Huckabee is surging not in spite of his wacky statements, but because of them. His views reflect the views of the Republican Party base, though they have no basis in reality. If you want to look at glaring misstatements of facts, I'd read some Republican blogs.Andyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13524483460829802534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8387588.post-75330660306313264512007-12-14T18:54:00.000-05:002007-12-14T18:54:00.000-05:00Well, perhaps I'm wrong about the '92 election. I...Well, perhaps I'm wrong about the '92 election. I'd be curious to see the studies you refer to -- not because I want to disprove you, but because I'm genuinely curious.<BR/><BR/>And given the electoral college's bias toward small states, I'd definitely agree that the system is biased toward Republicans nationally right now.Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18204743196151526432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8387588.post-25148954013089143232007-12-14T18:08:00.000-05:002007-12-14T18:08:00.000-05:00No, indeed, certainly not, Andy.I only commented u...No, indeed, certainly not, Andy.<BR/><BR/>I only commented upon your blog because I was dumbfounded as I read one glaring misstatement of fact after another.<BR/><BR/>Many commenters are engaging in nothing more than wishful thinking--not that there is anything inherently wrong with that--and not dealing with reality.<BR/><BR/>Sometimes when I encounter things I know to be incomprehensibly untrue, I cannot contain myself, and I have to comment.<BR/><BR/>You appear to have a very, very nice blog, Andy, and I wish you all the best.<BR/><BR/>Now here is an opinion, and an opinion only: the Democrat with the best chance to win in 2008 is Richardson.<BR/><BR/>And please keep in mind that my opinion, like all opinions, is worthless!<BR/><BR/>And all of this started with a google search of "the last debate"!Guntherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07238361122093719719noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8387588.post-33264471019535058062007-12-14T17:58:00.000-05:002007-12-14T17:58:00.000-05:00The fairvote.org reference is not authoritative (o...The fairvote.org reference is not authoritative (or even well-informed).<BR/><BR/>It is based upon no raw data. It is a journalistic article by an amateur, looking at different vote tallies and making numerous unwarranted and unfounded speculations. The speculations have no merit.<BR/><BR/>Privately-commissioned studies by both parties, commissioned after the 1992 election, reached the same conclusion: Perot's participation in the race gave Clinton the election. Not only were the Democrat and GOP post-election 1992 analyses the same, even the naked data collected by both studies was identical.Guntherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07238361122093719719noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8387588.post-8634317734380817732007-12-14T17:57:00.000-05:002007-12-14T17:57:00.000-05:00RB, are you trying to get me to throw myself off a...RB, are you <I>trying</I> to get me to throw myself off a cliff?<BR/><BR/>I think if we nominate Hillary, Giuliani will win. Which is why I'm pulling for Obama and Huckabee.Andyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13524483460829802534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8387588.post-25601142233415314492007-12-14T17:30:00.000-05:002007-12-14T17:30:00.000-05:00You are wrong about 1988. In 1988, Bush I carried...You are wrong about 1988. In 1988, Bush I carried 40 of the 50 states. 1988 is what is classified as a near-landslide.<BR/><BR/>You are wrong about 1992. Perot cost Bush more votes than Clinton, at roughly a three-to-one ratio, according to most reliable studies. There is a substantial literature about this within the field, and this is no longer a topic of dispute among political scientists, if it ever truly was.<BR/><BR/>About 2004, I agree with you. A strong candidate, running a strong campaign, would have defeated Bush. Kerry was the wrong candidate, and ran a disastrous campaign.<BR/><BR/>However: keep in mind that, even in 1996, Clinton only received a plurality, not a majority, even running against the hapless Dole.<BR/><BR/>That is an astonishing fact.Guntherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07238361122093719719noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8387588.post-65195148979506878802007-12-14T16:50:00.000-05:002007-12-14T16:50:00.000-05:00Perot's effect on the 1992 election is a myth I've...Perot's effect on the 1992 election is a myth I've seen in lots of places, but it's not true. Perot took votes away from Bush as well as from Clinton. He made Clinton's victory easier, but Clinton would have beat Bush without Perot in the race.<BR/><BR/>http://www.fairvote.org/plurality/perot.htm<BR/><BR/>You write:<BR/><BR/>"...since 1964, only one Democrat has won a presidential election with ease: Clinton in 1996 (and even Dole, in 1996, carried more states than Clinton did). If the GOP had had a strong candidate in 2006 [1996?], Clinton would not have been re-elected."<BR/><BR/>And if the Democrats had had a strong candidate in 2004, Bush wouldn't have been re-elected; had they had a strong candidate in 1988, Bush Sr. wouldn't have been elected; and so forth. Right?<BR/><BR/>As for "winning with ease," no Republican has done that in 20 years.Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18204743196151526432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8387588.post-18767374014523706892007-12-14T16:09:00.000-05:002007-12-14T16:09:00.000-05:00"Americans are, by and large, unaware that there a..."Americans are, by and large, unaware that there are more people in the rest of the world (and more INTELLIGENT people) than there are within the borders if this "great" nation."<BR/><BR/>As someone who has taught at an elite institution of higher learning for over 31 years, I would certainly take issue with that statement. At Georgetown, we receive students from all over the world. Today, Americans come to us with far better educational backgrounds than their foreign counterparts, with the exception of Singapore.<BR/><BR/>This was not necessarily true 30 years ago. British students and German students and French students were much more impressive three decades ago than they are today. It is clear that the educational systems in those countries (especially Britain and Germany) have deteriorated substantially, at least at the elite level. In the U.S., by comparison, education at the elite level is, if anything, even better than it was 30 years ago.<BR/><BR/>I am a political scientist. Let me assure you that Huckabee is a temporary sideshow. The GOP nominee will obviously be Giuliani, short of some remarkable and unpredictable development. Giuliana will knock out the other GOP candidates in the first round of the major primaries.<BR/><BR/>If one analyzes 2007 polls very, very carefully, and compares them with pre-election year polls from years past, the most likely person to be elected president next year is Giuliani (or any other GOP candidate).<BR/><BR/>Given the enormous unpopularity of Bush and the GOP, any Democrat candidate should be far, far ahead of any GOP candidate at this moment im time. Nevertheless, the GOP candidates are polling very, very strongly.<BR/><BR/>This suggest many things. One thing it suggests is the unelectability of Clinton and Obama. Another thing it suggests is a nationwide bias in favor of Republicans at the presidential level. This bias has nothing whatsoever to do with the religious right, as countless studies have demonstrated. Your focus on this issue is entirely misplaced.<BR/><BR/>You fellows are too young to remember, but I am an old coot in his mid-fifties and I have devoted my life to studying American presidential elections. Carter's very narrow win in 1976 was a fluke (50,000 votes would have changed the outcome of that election). Clinton's election in 1992 was a fluke (a similarly small number of votes would have changed the outcome; more important, 1992 was the "Perot" election--without Perot in the contest, Bush I would have been an easy winner).<BR/><BR/>That signifies that, since 1964, only one Democrat has won a presidential election with ease: Clinton in 1996 (and even Dole, in 1996, carried more states than Clinton did). If the GOP had had a strong candidate in 2006, Clinton would not have been re-elected.<BR/><BR/>So if you fellows are banking on a Democrat winner in 2008, you should keep your money in your pockets. Indeed, anything can happpen, which I readily admit, but the trend strongly favors the GOP candidate, whoever he may be.<BR/><BR/>Most political scientists, at this particular point in time, would call 2008 as follows: the GOP will narrowly recapture the House (too many heavily-GOP districts fell to the Democrats in 2006, and in 2008 voters will resume their normal voting patterns), the Democrats will easily extend their majority in the Senate (next year the Democrats may pick up AS MANY AS 15 SENATE SEATS!) and the GOP will hold the White House.<BR/><BR/>And elite education in America is very, very, very good, I assure you.Guntherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07238361122093719719noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8387588.post-56301668787924481312007-12-13T23:57:00.000-05:002007-12-13T23:57:00.000-05:00i'm for Ron Paul.I'm not sure a crazy person is ne...<I>i'm for Ron Paul.</I><BR/><BR/>I'm not sure a crazy person is necessarily better than a corrupt person.<BR/><BR/><I>Admittedly, the last 8 have been the most egregious, but I count at least 24...</I><BR/><BR/>Why 24? Are you suggesting that the first half of Reagan's first term was hunky dory? So, I think that brings us to 26 years, following a little break of well-intentioned mediocrity (Ford & Carter) and then before that...well, we all know.<BR/><BR/>Come to think of it, maybe "Mike B" is right. (Though, I don't really want to tear up the Constitution, it's pretty fantastic.) But we really should tear down THIS government and start over.Andyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13524483460829802534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8387588.post-27341354209804038382007-12-13T23:06:00.000-05:002007-12-13T23:06:00.000-05:00Only 8, gino? Admittedly, the last 8 have been th...Only 8, gino? Admittedly, the last 8 have been the most egregious, but I count at least 24...DJRainDoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12921792163789635507noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8387588.post-60879115855579544092007-12-13T18:04:00.000-05:002007-12-13T18:04:00.000-05:00LC: that is romney's problem. he is the waxed appl...LC: that is romney's problem. he is the waxed apple. too perfect (outwardly) to accept for many.<BR/><BR/>i'm for Ron Paul.<BR/><BR/>but what does it say about the democrats if they are willing to put up the most politically and morally corrupt person available?<BR/>is there nothing better from them but hillary?<BR/>hasnt 8yrs of white house corruption been enough?Ginohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09606046924332159076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8387588.post-34533234039738613062007-12-13T17:17:00.000-05:002007-12-13T17:17:00.000-05:00I find myself agreeing with much of what you have ...I find myself agreeing with much of what you have written. I am somewhat of a Romney man, myself. Perhaps my agreement signifies that I have not read carefully enough (: <BR/><BR/>We midwesterners approach candidate-picking the same way we approach apple-picking. A small bump or bruise here or there ensures a genuine, delicious, earthy flavor on the inside. Considering the amount of wax in Romney's hair it's no wonder that he's not doing so well in the midwest.tullyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01197709180292694356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8387588.post-83465192389754591462007-12-13T13:23:00.000-05:002007-12-13T13:23:00.000-05:00Mikey: Americans are, by and large, unaware that ...Mikey: Americans are, by and large, unaware that there are more people in the rest of the world (and more INTELLIGENT people) than there are within the borders if this "great" nation. And yes, Hillary is smarter than Barack. And yes, I trust her more. But I don't want to see her as president, either.<BR/><BR/>The Scorched-Earth Policy of DJRainDog: Kill every candidate that emerges of his/her own intent. Force Americans to nominate from their ranks persons who are not currently involved in politics, who are not beholden to big business and big church. I'll admit I could deal with a President Giuliani or a President Edwards better than any of the other current options. Actually, I take that back; I think I might like a President Ron Paul, but sadly, none of these are realistic options.<BR/><BR/>One thing of which I am certain: Cretins like Mike Huckabee and Mitt Romney must be destroyed -- publicly, and preferably violently. (Or would that make them martyrs of the variety of which bin Laden has the potential to be?)<BR/><BR/>We're all fucked, no matter what. I'm staying in NYC because it's easier to hide in a crowd.DJRainDoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12921792163789635507noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8387588.post-59322040190790301522007-12-13T13:01:00.000-05:002007-12-13T13:01:00.000-05:00And I think I'm defending Hillary too vigorously. ...And I think I'm defending Hillary too vigorously. Ever since Obama started taking off in the polls, she's been clearly desperate and her campaign has been doing unseemly things at a ridiculous rate.<BR/><BR/>The only one I actually like is Edwards, who is coincidentally the only one who would be heavily outspent in the general. Well, we'll see. I'm prepared to make peace with any likely outcome.Mike B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/12038475331310080470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8387588.post-2281349302037421192007-12-13T12:55:00.000-05:002007-12-13T12:55:00.000-05:00Well, there's some optimism for you. :P I'm not go...<I>Well, there's some optimism for you. :P I'm not going to disagree, though of course that kind of speech is what sends End-Timers into spasms. You are proposing essentially exactly what they say the Bible predicts will happen.</I><BR/><BR/>Dude, the world's a bigger place than just America.<BR/><BR/><I>Anyway, you may be right. If so, can't we just vote for Obama anyway?</I><BR/><BR/>You can if you like. Realize when you are doing this, though, that beyond the fresh facade he has made his campaign all about <A HREF="http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2007/12/partisan-soljahs-by-digby-whenever-im.html" REL="nofollow">running away from liberals</A>--ducking inconvenient votes, reciting GOP talking points, cozying up to Joe Lieberman, hiring friggin' ex-gays to speak at his rallies. The Iraq vote (which, I might add, he didn't actually have to <I>make</I>) notwithstanding, he's no better than Clinton.<BR/><BR/>Clinton is smarter than he is, and, frankly, less creepy. She's the better candidate and she'd be the better president.<BR/><BR/>I still look forward to the election about as much as I look forward to my first colonoscopy. What a repulsive country we live in.Mike B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/12038475331310080470noreply@blogger.com