tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8387588.post963180739788913461..comments2023-10-18T03:53:59.377-04:00Comments on The Last Debate: Good News! You're Going to Hell!Andyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13524483460829802534noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8387588.post-63407446339116161462007-06-13T13:45:00.000-04:002007-06-13T13:45:00.000-04:00JW's also have this habit of sending very hot attr...JW's also have this habit of sending very hot attractive, but nicely attired, 20ish babes to my door, because they know i'll open it.Ginohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09606046924332159076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8387588.post-54111261875267260372007-06-13T11:37:00.000-04:002007-06-13T11:37:00.000-04:00The talk about reaching out reminds me of a JW tha...The talk about reaching out reminds me of a JW that came to our house when I was a kid. Mom always slammed the door on them, but I was never that bold, so if I answered the door they'd start talking to me. I told one once that I wasn't supposed to talk to people about religion, the girl slipped me a pamphlet and asked me to read it, and perhaps she'd sneak around again without telling my mom. All sorts of alarm bells and whistles went off with that suggestion. I believe she was probably feeling like she was saving me from certain doom, but I also think that suggesting to a 7 year old that they keep secrets from her parents with a stranger is irresponsible.<BR/><BR/>I know that JW's aren't "Evangelists" but whenever I talk to them that seems to be their message... "I have good news, I'm sharing in the word of God and I've picked you!"Jadehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13959637910926242468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8387588.post-23471274482104377172007-06-12T21:20:00.000-04:002007-06-12T21:20:00.000-04:00A former housemate came to pretty much a complete ...A former housemate came to pretty much a complete mental stop when I mentioned to her (while complaining about what passes for evangelism in America) that "Gospel" means "good news." Seeing the blank look, I broke that down (if salvation and Heaven are for real, they are good news, and anyone who knows about them would want to share them with everyone they cared about) ... <BR/><BR/>Not surprisingly, although exposed fairly constantly to Christians trying to convert her non-religious self, she had never been exposed to this tack before.<BR/><BR/>SIGH.<BR/><BR/>-----<BR/><BR/>Andy, sometimes I wish I drank coffee while reading blogs, so I could use that "coffee sprayed all over my screen" tagline ... the bowl of water/lake analogy was hilarious ;).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8387588.post-58935745591477674772007-06-12T20:40:00.000-04:002007-06-12T20:40:00.000-04:00TK, I thank you for that "captive audience" joke. ...TK, I thank you for that "captive audience" joke. I'm visiting my cousin in jail this weekend, and I believe he'll appreciate that one!<BR/><BR/>Anything for conversation- that's the worst part of jail visitation. What do you talk about? "Yup, so uh, I see they added some flowers to the front walk. Nice touch. Yeah- so you water them. Funny, that's my job at home. So, umm..."tullyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01197709180292694356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8387588.post-84820986891190602202007-06-12T17:12:00.000-04:002007-06-12T17:12:00.000-04:00Evangelical sermons take 2 common forms- the hellf...Evangelical sermons take 2 common forms- the hellfire and brimstone approach and the personal witness approach.<BR/><BR/>When I was a member of my old church's prison ministry (talk about a captive audience) I used the latter but one guy always use the former, often beating on the pulpit and shouting like there was no tomorrow.<BR/><BR/>Which brings a good point- hardcore evagelicals preach like there is no tomorrow, like Christ IS coming back at anytime. But I think it does boil down to a marketing package. Most people don't want to be bothered with a witness or a harrangue. I think it is those hardcore evangelicals that give Christianity a bad name and ammo for people like Rosie O'Donnell, George Carlin et al. to bash.Trickish Knavehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01696133416274723867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8387588.post-61760013130621210052007-06-11T21:33:00.000-04:002007-06-11T21:33:00.000-04:00Gino raises an excellent point. We often fear any...Gino raises an excellent point. We often fear any discussion of religion because we fear isolation. We are in essence raising interpersonal relationships above our relationship with God: We don't hesitate to make public our friendship with a minority because there are so many benefits in doing so (I use my friendship with Andy as leverage against those calling me a homophobe ALL THE TIME!) (kidding) But a relationship with God can actually lose you friends. <BR/><BR/>You might even say the attitude is "Don't ask, Don't tell"<BR/><BR/>The result of keeping to ourselves holds the same as in politics. We can keep our John Birch Society or Scientologist views to ourselves and no one will criticize them; which doesn't benefit us in the least. Do away with this indulgent politeness and the Marketplace of Ideas will be open- only then will competition do its handiwork.tullyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01197709180292694356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8387588.post-89202115857760641962007-06-11T18:20:00.000-04:002007-06-11T18:20:00.000-04:00When I was a kid, my mom took my brother and I to ...When I was a kid, my mom took my brother and I to a Nazarene church to hear the new preacher. He stood before everyone and randomly pointed at people screaming YOU’RE GOING TO HELL over and over until his face was beet red. Needless to say we never went back. I’ve never forgotten it and every time I pass a Nazarene church, I shudder.MGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08888944336887736663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8387588.post-90098751464237175942007-06-11T09:49:00.000-04:002007-06-11T09:49:00.000-04:00The problem with taking that approach to evangelis...The problem with taking that approach to evangelism, Matthew, is that it causes a great deal of non-Christians to view Christianity and salvation as nothing more than "fire insurance." That isn't exactly the most attractive or compelling sales pitch, either.<BR/><BR/>Of course, I think part of the problem, too, is that spreading the good news is even seen in terms of "sales pitches" in the first place.<BR/><BR/>On a side note, Andy, have you ever read Rebecca Manley Pippert's book, "Out of the Saltshaker"? (It's published by InterVarsity Press.) I'd personally recommend it, as I suspect a lot of what she says will resonate with your own thoughts and those of your rector.Jarredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04793668797961461325noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8387588.post-36990534345540220352007-06-11T04:14:00.000-04:002007-06-11T04:14:00.000-04:00I guess these folks would counter that the good ne...I guess these folks would counter that the good news actually is:<BR/><BR/>There's a way you can get out of going to hell!<BR/><BR/>As I'm not particularly familiar with Episcopalianism, I don't know for sure, but doesn't all Christian theology teach that if you don't follow Christ (I am the way, etc. etc.) then you are at least not going to Heaven (and therefore presumably going to Hell)? That being the case, it would seem that the urgency to give the Spirit as much opportunity to convert people would be more understandable.Matthewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00402032441340037301noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8387588.post-78552045480462954692007-06-11T03:12:00.000-04:002007-06-11T03:12:00.000-04:00i always viewed evangelism as taking many legitima...i always viewed evangelism as taking many legitimate forms.<BR/><BR/>"you're going to hell" may work, and from the looks of the number of evangelical churches, and the pop-theological culture of our world, i'd say it works.<BR/><BR/>but thats not my style.<BR/><BR/>evangelism takes many forms.<BR/>many times it is most effective just by letting someone else know what you believe. or just having a discussion of theological differences.<BR/><BR/>everytime i make public that i am a catholic,and i like it, i am evengelizing, with nothing more said.Ginohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09606046924332159076noreply@blogger.com